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Safely Skidding Logs from the Forest
eddiemac
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Here's how I do it when I don't use my log arch. I always go slow so I don't ram the log into the back of the tractor. No problems thus far.

J R in Missouri
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Son and I use home bulit arch and the boom. We get more lift with boom but the ramming affect is very real to watch out for. Here in the Ozarks we have those very low mountains with very steep valleys. Therefore all our log fetching involves route planning. You drive down and up not on the side and then follow the Ridge flat to landing. Saftey First The 901 with the wide front end will give the unknowing a false sense of saftey but they can and some do tip over,

eddiemac
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Yep. How about some pics of your arch and boom? I spent Saturday pulling logs out of some hilly woods with a Kubota MX4700HST. I wish it was heavier sometimes. It's got fluid in the tires and usually a box blade on the back for lifting with the front forks. It does real good lifting, but it's vulnerable to tipping when you try to take a load sideways. I took off the box blade and used my arch to bring the longer logs up the hill.

J R in Missouri
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Eddie
I’m a Texas Snowbird at present. From the looks of this cold and snowy weather it may be July before I get back to Missouri. No pictures, I have no camera, I have Sawwood for the Show and Tell. The boom is just that; attach to 3 point 3 rd. link. The cross brace I refer to is a flat 4 inch iron member to hold the spread between lifts arms. The ramming affect is the log end dangling from boom & chain swinging back and forth. Not as in hydraulic ram, but as battering ram.
At present the log arch is stuff in the back corners under concrete forms and snow. Boom is out back at rest on a huge sycamore log Lester has saving for some kind of project he has in mind

Post Oakie
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Eddie, one good thing about your system is that you can back it up, if you need to. Ever try backing a log arch with a log in it? It wants to go every way but straight.

eddiemac
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Exactly. My log arch is as wide as the tractor and, even without a log, limits maneuverability when backing into tight paths in the woods. Since I got my tractor with front-end loader, I only use the log arch on really large logs too big to pick up or move in any other way.

eddiemac
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Here's my log arch, pulled by my trusty Massey-Harris 22. Just so you know, the wheels on the arch are 48" diameter, width is 88", the hickory log is 17" at the small end.



LATHAM FARMS
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that's one heavy duty arch !! looks like new idea pull type corn picker tires and rims, sold 4 of them last spring for 150.00 . I have been looking 4 a old Toyota 4x4, got a plan in my head to make a log skidder out of it. did you make the arch yourself ?? it looks as heavy as that ol harris !!

eddiemac
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Now for the rest of the story:
I don't own this arch; I just have it until it's taken back by my cattleman neighbor. He rents our pasture. One day he just showed up with this monster, said he paid a guy (a welder) from his church to build it. It's been here ever since. He knew I'd bought a sawmill and needed some way to move the big logs he let me cut after a tornado knocked so many trees down in 2003. At first I was taken back - thought it was overkill. But I've moved 34" logs with it without much difficulty. I dread having a flat tire though.

Post Oakie
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Nice design. I like the cant hook holder, too. I'm limited to 24" on my log arch, and often wish it could handle bigger.

LATHAM FARMS
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yes eddie, careful with the tires. the fellas that bought mine came a long ways to get them. they both told me that new they were almost 200.00 each. but I recall them being 8 ply so they should take a pretty good beating. in afterthought I should have used them on our arch but I used a more common size, 16". photo diet111.jpg

eddiemac
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Looks like your arch is pretty heavy-duty too. I bet you can lift the whole log and carry it. The big tires on my arch have never needed air in the ten years they've been here. At least, I don't think they have, they look plump and healthy. I'll ask if they came from a corn picker next time I see my neighbor.

eddiemac
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Update:  I asked my neighbor where he got those tires.  He said they came from a fertilizer spreader.

LATHAM FARMS
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yea, that's how I like to move them. they stay nice and clean. I have to move the winch cable to the back of the log after I set the front inside the carrier, then when I winch it up gain the log slides inside on a roller. after I get to the mill I drop the winch and unhook the choker and just pull away. the log usually rolls right out. the winch is kind of overkill, its a old Garwood 40,000 lb winch off a old oil field winch truck and I adapted to to run off the tractor pto. I have hung up a couple of big trees into another tree and winched them right down. and pulled whole trees across a run and up a hill to the skidder. its got a hundred foot of 5/8 cable on it. when I do stuff like that I have to back the skidder aginst a tree or it pulls the whole tractor backwards. I generally hide beside the tractor and run the pto handle from the ground lol. this is why im looking for a truck to build into a skidder...

LATHAM FARMS
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eddiemac
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Enjoyed the video; bet your logs stay pretty clean.

LATHAM FARMS
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yes Ed they do but my problem is I don't like to move one at a time, I end up dragging 2 or 3 on the ground. it takes to long to go to the back 40 to get them. I thought about making a log truck out of a set of running gears to take back to the woods.

Post Oakie
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Nothing says you can't have more than one tool for pulling logs to the sawmill. Some of those forwarding trailers would be great for pulling multiple logs up to 16" diameter, then use the log arch or log carrier for the big stuff, one at a time. Outstanding job on that carrier! It gives me some ideas for spring projects!

LATHAM FARMS
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Mr Oakie, we only had about 200 in the hauler. the I beams were from a friends new double wide home, they leave the tounge's and axels, he brought me the toung's to get them out of his yard, then I cut and welded them up. that was the easy part. I chopped off the hitch(2 5/16 ball) to put on a clevis type toung so we could just drop in a pin.... bad idea, I have redone it probably 5 times now, this time the tounge is off a 279 new Holland haybine. it works good now. the winch I got at a auction with a bunch of other junk in the weeds for 50.00. spool of 5/8 cable given to me to remove from some ones yard. the pto shaft came from a junk ford 6' bush hog. the gears bought from tsc. the brake for the winch came off a john deere model 40 combine. the choker cable I bought new. the axil in the beginning came from the axil and stubs from a alis-chalmers #66 combine but they couldn't handle the weight without bending the frame. we wanted to leave the center of the hauler open. we ended up using a axil from a new idea pull type swather, so now the axil crosses the frame but we then put a roller pipe behind that to roll the logs in and out, works good. I guess what im saying is look at junk and think what you can do with it ! oh and I took a 1/4" electric fence step in stake and put a little bend in the middle and put a curley que one the end. now I can slip it around the end of the choker bob and use it to probe under the end of a log. HAPPY THINKING !!!

Post Oakie
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WOW! If they ever bring back the "Junk Yard Wars" series, can I be on your team?

scottie44
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I have boom got from Fleet Farm that works very good.  If I could figure out how to post an image would share!

Post Oakie
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Scottie, welcome to the forum.  Love the photo under your name!  I look forward to hearing more about you.  Do you have a Norwood sawmill?  Where are you located?  Here's a link to how to post photos.  http://forum.norwoodsawmills.com/suggestion-box/posting-photos

Kinda a pain to set up, but once you do, it is pretty easy.

scottie44
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Yes I have a LM29 now for less than a year.  The picture is myself and 13 year old cousin framing up my new sawmill pole shed from lumber milled on my saw.  Only fitting she goes into a building she cut.  The Lam beam and 16' 2x8 trusses are the only things purchased.  Pictures to follow once I get set with that link.  Will be 32' long, 12' feet deep, over 13.5' at the peak, and have a 17' clear opening at the front (thus the lam beam) for rolling logs onto the saw!!  Also planning gutters and cistern to collect rain water for saw, as the building is a ways from the main house.

Love my saw and have cut this White Pine and Norway for the shed lumber, Red Oak/Black Walnut/Maple for the floors in my house!!

wayne busse
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I've been rained out for two days and was reading old threads I might have missed.  While the Ground was partially frozen last week I pulled out a few ash for firewood. The catagorey #2 log hog I made this spring  gets the butt up 16" off the ground and helps keep  the log pretty clean.  It's also an adrenalin rush when I stood that 73 hp massey up in a huge wheely. A loader on the front end full of dirt is now  a must when I pull monsters like that big hickery up my mini -mountain. Ive scraped off a little paint , and broke a 3/8 chain so  it seems sturdy enough. I have 16', 30',and a 54' 1/2" stainless cables and one block for reaching where the tractor can't .

Post Oakie
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Careful--- getting that Massey back on its wheels after you've flipped it would be quite a chore!  Have you looked at a 3-point PTO winch?  I use one on my Case IH 485 and it is a great tool for pulling logs out of tough places.  It takes some serious pulling to break a 3/8" chain!

scottie44
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Sorry been a while since I have been on line.  Guess I'm too busy running my mill.  Just finished a great Rik of white birch.  Also did a load of cherry late fall.  

 

I use use a boom bought from Fleetfarm on my John Deere 3038e and also need to have weight in the bucket for the big ones.  Works great and keeps the logs up out of the dirt saving on blade life.

scottie44
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Just checked Fleetfarm and it is a "King Kutter Boom Pole" and listed for less than $100.  I don't think I could but the steel for that price.  To date if my three pint could pick it up, this boom could handle it.  I coupled to the end a chain and t that I hook a log clamp with chain hook on top so I can quickly adjust the hooking length. 

scottie44
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http://KING KUTTER BOOM POLE Online Item #: 0000000010018 SKU: 002501906 $104.79 $97.50

 

 

Information on on the link to the boom.

 

 http://s1039.photobucket.com/user/scottieholmes44/media/image_zpsjgumsup...

 

link to some of my photos, trying to create a download, not sure if this worked.

Bill
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Nice pics. Scottie TY for posting .

scottie44
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Good now that I have that figured out I will post more.

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