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RazrRebel
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Winch????

Hey guys. Need some feedback on a hand winch for my log arch. I've looked at them everywhere. Harbor Freight, Northern Tool, EBay you name it. I need some real world info. I'm thinking a 2500 lb. Will give me some leeway on bigger logs. My arch is a little over six feet long, and is 35" between the uprights. I'll try to post a pic tomorrow. Any help would be great on winch selection. Thanks!

wayne busse
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If you have an extra deep cycle battery , I'd suggest going 12 volt. When I finish my saw-shed this fall , I'm mounting a 12 volt winch above my HD36 to roll logs on the mill.  A remote gets you away from any danger of broken cables. Any boat l ever cranked up on a trailer, I found myself looking down the length of a very tight cable and leaning out of the line of fire....

Baron
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Smart Wayne. When they break they're killers. I recommend to get a very overly strong winch. The log  I milled this afternoon was way way over the norm. My loader could lift  it but no traction. so it had to be in the nature of 3300 lbs. get a big one and work it likely rather than the other way round. 

Post Oakie
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A black oak log 26" diameter small end, 30" diameter large end, 10' long weighs about 2,600 pounds.  To pick up one end would mean lifting 1,300 pounds.  Parbuckling it up a 30 degree ramp would take a pull of only 650 pounds.  I use Norwood's log loading ramp, but replaced their hand winch with a 2,500# Harbor Freight winch.  A deep cycle battery typically lasts all day.  I also have a chain saw powered Lewis winch with an 8,000 pound pull.  It has never let me down!  My tractor has a 1,200# lift on the front end loader, but might do better on the back.

Baron, how about some details on that monster log?

RazrRebel
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Thanks guys. I'll probably go with the electric winch. I have a friend that swears by the traveller brand at Tractor Supply. Hopefully be able to finish my arch up this week and be cutting and hauling logs by the weekend.

Baron
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Post Oakie, Are you referring to the log mentioned above? It seems like I only mill giant logs these days. The one mentioned above was a Sycamore that was swell-butted from 4' on down and the base was an oval 33" x 40".  The small end was somewhere around 30".  Overall it was nearly 3000 lbs +/-. I wish I had photographed it as it was being milled. It seems that sycamore trees that are growing under environmental stresses are more prone to develop beautiful grain. In the case of this tree it was stuck between the sidewalk and the curb. I had to arrange it on the mill so that the but was 40" vertically. A little chainsaw shave job was necessary for the carriage to  clear it.  I had to jack up the small end a few inches to get the pith close to level. after it was squared it was quarter sawed to 8" x 1 1/8" planks. Most were plain but some, near the center were fantastic. 

The reason I bring this up on a "Winch Posting" is because if I didn't have the ability to lift, rotate and jiggle this old log around I would not have been able to mill these babies. For both safety and capacity I would save my money for the bigger winch.

The following log is being readied for milling. Look at the nice bulge on the side of it which ended up delivering some very memorable figure. it probably weighs 1200-1300 lbs and was abandoned to the tub grinder if i had not saved it. If you were dragging this out of the woods there would have been allot of friction due to its shape and chubbyness. If you were dragging this at 5 mph and it snagged on something I think you could strip a winch out pretty quickly. Plus if you wanted to pull something up hill out of a brush pile, and it was all snagged up, you would soon be out of pulling power with only 2500lbs. capacity.

Whatever you decide to do it will be fun. 

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r.garrison1
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Here I am, thinking again.

If someone has a 2500# winch, and a situation where it won't quite pull, does anyone have some ideas about solving the problem?

I'm thinking about having a static line from the log to a tree or something, and connecting the winch midline on a pulley or something?

Block and tackle connection for the winch on the static line?

Other thoughts?

Baron
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cheekyBack it up, Cuss, Get a bigger winch. 

Where are the pics of your container Roland? U promised!

 
Bill
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For every snatch block you double the capacity.

Baron
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That is true but you also use up cable. Although I've often resorted to that we're talking about a new purchase. So I would buy a bigger winch instead of a smaller one and several blocks. Blocks also require straps and clevis and pins and the list of trinkets goes on. Just getting a bigger is easier on the inventory clerk. 

r.garrison1
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OK; I ghot a couple pix. They aren't pretty, but here they are.

The container gives me enough room in width to park the tractor and I can squeeze past on one side or another; if I centered it, I could probably fit by either side.

With the tractor in the 20' container, I could probably store some implements in the back end, but it isn't enough room for another vehicle.

When I get into the contaner, it gets pretty noisy. Since the exhaust is up front, I think I'll probably back in as a rule. 

https://goo.gl/photos/tuuHEXy221PhUaYE8

I didn't get one with the tractor in the trailer, but with an 8' wide container and a tractor that is about 6' wide (with the industrial tires), I don't have a lot of width to spare.

These pictures were taken before I built a deck in front of the container; I didn't like the ramp just ending at the container lip.

Next trip up, I'll level it a bit better. I have too much drop from back to front right now; I am not comfortable until I have a couple wheels chocked with the current slope.

 

r.garrison1
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I always have extra chain and/or cable around, but in a remote area, buying another winch isn't always easy. I have a Harbor Freight 3500# winch, and a couple of their 8000# manual winches, but I'm used to trying to adapt when I don't quite have the right tool. I also am used to thinking safety, and will nudge a task a bit here and there if I don't see a way to do it and still go home at the end of the day.

Baron
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Containers open up allot of possibilities for very little invasted. Looks nice to me, container and the tractor. Thanks

r.garrison1
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After this trip, I now have a deck about 12' long in fron of the container; much less worry when parking it Next trip, I hope to top it with gravel and level it some. 

Being across the state from the tree farm has it's disadvantages; wish I could leave my day job sooner.

Bill
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Nice tractor and garage Roland yes .

r.garrison1
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I plan to paint it some colors that fit into the scenery better. I'm debating on a solid color or something that appears more like a semi-mural. Not trying to make it look like tree trunks, but blend in a bit.

Baron
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Picture Bigfoot taking a nap and hugging an axe. Thats what you should paint on it.

 

Do you plan to put shelving in it? If so would it be free-standing or screwed to the container walls?

 

r.garrison1
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It has anchor bolts in the floor, and I am trying to think of how to use those. I may attach some bolts to the wall, so I could bolt on some shelving without taking up floor space.

At least one shelf to hold tractor supplies; hydraulic fluid, oil, etc.

I was thinking of putting a vent in the opposite end, so it isn't such a dead-end space; haven't had a problem with fumes yet, but don't want to either.

Baron
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do you have a house on this property? The forest looks nice.

r.garrison1
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I have a little park model; just under 400 sq. ft. These pix are from Feb.

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1QipO49WfbD8SwINAkWLSXmJxyuwP4dkPI3Hl1cxKp

It has a propane refrigerator that doesn't need electricity, gas stove and furnace, instant gas hot water.

The water tank is temporary. I hope to have the trench dug to the spring this year or next so I can put in a water line.

 

Bill MacLellan
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Great looking set up there Roland. Containers seem to be a very secure way to store things.

About the winch thing, instead of an electric winch have you considered a actual logging winch such as a Norse or other model. I don't have one personally but have use of one. And to tell the truth I don't think I would winch logs after using it any other way. They offer good protection to the back of your tractor, they are also a (not sure what to call it) forwarder to haul several logs to you landing at a time. they have great reach and really good power (PTO). There are quite a few used around at very reasonable prices, and as far as I can see there is only a very simple clutch and cable that would be your wear items. Just some more food for thought.  Bobcat looks grrrrreat! Does she have a name yet?

r.garrison1
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No name yet; she's got to earn it.

Baron
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Four names: 

Mergatroit

Scrimshall

Countess

Throckmorton

 

r.garrison1
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The names I get are more something from Shakespear, or something therabouts. That said, if she sounds like a monster, that may change... :)

Post Oakie
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PTO winch is definitely the way to go, if you're going to get serious about logging.  It is also a safe way to pull trees that get hung up.  I've been using one for years.  Here's a link to an old post about it: http://forum.norwoodsawmills.com/sawmilling-wood-processing-forum/can-i-upgrade-logging-arch-logging-winch#comment-15622

I see Norwood has a hydraulic logging winch.  Anyone tried it yet?

LATHAM FARMS
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I plan on getting a electric winch at some point for our mill and getting a remote controll from northern hdy. My neighbor has a winch on his wood splitter for big pieces and he bought a remote from them for it. i will install it for him some time this summer for him. To me it sounds like a great idea. no wires to get in the way, pinched and allows you to get out of the way.

clam lake dave
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I have the Harbor freight 5000 lb winch on my log grabber 5000 and It has been working like a charm.

Pulled some big logs. I even broke a few welds when I was inadvertently pulling aganist a live tree.

I am putting a 2500 lb winch on the truck crane I got from harbor freight to roll the logs up to my trailer were I put my saw mill.

Will post a pic when I get that done.

I pulled  8 logs Sunday with the log grabber 5000 and the battery was full of juice at the end of the day.

clam lake dave
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I am planning on building a log arch and would like to see some pics and measurements.

Saw a few on utube but would like to make one tomove the logs I have stock piled on my farm.

THe tractor I have with a bucket is old and I dont trust it to put the logs on the  mill which will be mounted on a 16 fooot car trailer.

r.garrison1
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Here's one I found that looks interesting. Get an old boat trailer, and you probably have all the starting material.http://www.forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=45388.0

clam lake dave
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Time to check craigs list for old boat trailers.